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In short, I've left DoN. The details are behind the cut so if you don't mud or don't care about it, nevermind.




**Disclaimer: Any DoN player on my actual friends list is not included in anything negative said in this post. NONE of this applies to you, so don't take any of it personally or think it's about you if I'm vague. To the non LJ people reading this, if I offend you, then it's probably because I meant to.**

I logged on (last) Tuesday with the intention of checking in. I started going through my stuff and leaving it with Cole, talking to people off and on. Eventually Jason logged on as Ramere, gave me his stuff, and deleted. Then Derek logged on, and then Molly. Celebis asked whose stuff it was dropped in the Seven hall and I said it was mine. I told him I was leaving. The previously intended peaceful checkin process turned into an ooc bitch fest, but to be honest, it was necessary. Kudos to Derek for going balls to the wall and saying what needed said, same goes for Molly. And ya gotta love Celebis, he was right there with us. Poor guy's probably in for some shit once Smith and Jean read the log of the ooc channel. Then again, they'd have to log on first.

But I digress.

Tyler showed up some time later, once the ooc banter had reduced itself to the usual casual chit chat and off colour humour. I somehow knew at that point that I wouldn't be checking in. There was no point. So I decided to do a few things that should have been done long ago... let us say, I decided to right some wrongs that had been committed. I enlisted Tyler into the Kindred and promoted both him and Derek to Elder. You'd already left Molly, or you would have been promoted too, so don't get mad. Anyhow, us three had some fun in our arena and then migrated to Kyara/Karen's room.

I dropped a bunch of roses, Kyara's dagger, and all the gold I had on me. I dropped the kitten Krielle had given Jax all those years ago *hugs Eppie* I dropped all my candy and chocolate hearts. I told Karen I was sorry a couple of times. I didn't know what else to say but I felt horrible so I had to say something. Then we started talking on the ooc channel again. It wasn't pretty. Tyler had the balls to say what everyone's only been whispering, and I thank him for that, because some part of me feels defended by his words and it's nice to see someone give a shit.

Derek deleted first. I asked Tyler if he wanted me to go first and he said yes; not because he didn't think I could do it, but because he wanted to be supportive and be there as I did it, which was kind of him. I got back on ooc and said the only thing that really matters: Rai and Lanku FTW! And then I was gone.

I had to get up and walk around for a minute after that. It was weird and I was upset. And before anyone lolz at me, I'd point out this wasn't just a game. It isn't the actual mud I'm sad about leaving. It's the people. It's just weird when someplace is your home-away-from-home for so long and you just up and walk out on it. 11 years is a long fucking time to be committed to anything, I don't care what it is. Once I came back Tyler moved to a private room on vent with me and pointed out some things to me. Things I knew somewhere in the back of my mind, but all the same he knew I needed to hear them. And he was right.

I'm not sad anymore. It's still odd not being there and I miss the good times and the people I only talked to via the mud, but I'm mostly angry now. And now I'm going to say the shit that's going to piss people off, and I'm going to be speaking for a great multitude of players, MOST of which are NOT Kindred, mind you. This isn't some partisan whine fest. This is the god damn truth.

Smith and Jean ruined DoN. That's the short of it. Malice was awesome, good times. Sadis and Sensi were hardasses but hey, good times all the same, at least the proverbial smack down was given when people got out of line, even if sometimes it was too harsh a punishment or somewhat unfair. Even with the vague set of pk/pvp rules we had, things were still kept mostly in line and it was fun. There was conflict, which brings players. Gloval, you were an unmitigated ass to me, but you know what? THANK YOU!! Cypher, you too :P At least it was fucking exciting because I never knew what the hell was gonna be around the next corner. At least the Kindred had opposition to RP off of. At least ANYONE had opposition to RP off of. The IMMs were active, the clans were active, it was great.

As that asshole Damaja put it back when he was still around, DoN has turned into a Care Bear mud. And as much as I hate to agree with that lying fuckwad, he's right. Instead of punishing the troublemakers before things got out of hand, there were rules piled on top of rules on top of more rules. Patch jobs do not last forever; eventually you need a real fix for the problem. "But we need to be fair!" she said. Fair? Well while you're being "fair," people are leaving the mud because of these assclowns. How about you do what's right for the mud as a whole and not try to enact fairness upon a small handful of individuals who are being dicks? That's like that idiot who tried to break into a woman's house via skylight, fell through it, got injured, sued her and won. What??? Fuck him, he gets no god damned rights, he was committing a crime! An extreme example yes, but the principle stands. And hey, this isn't me whining. I wasn't really that bothered. No one did much to me for some reason. Probably because I did my best to be friends with everyone. But I still know a bunch of bullshit when I see it.

Then there were those of us who tried and tried to help DoN and got absolutely no recognition for it. I plastered the internet advertising, I got stickers for my car so I could be a roving advertisement, I voted for the mud anywhere I could, I did everything Smith asked of me. I did spell lines for the mud as Jean asked and after they were entirely overlooked for THREE months in her inbox, I got nothing but a complaint about the format of my email when it was read. Are you kidding me? The absolute condescension was appalling. Newsflash: the IMM tag does not make you better than me. If you ask a player to do something for you, you better show some gratitude when they do it or they'll stop wanting to help you and the mud.

Take Stormy for an example. That woman is awesome and should have been given DoN after Sensi left. She could have taken that place to greatness if her hands weren't tied from the moment she got it. I helped her proof zone after zone for that place. And you know what? She thanked me for it every. single. time. I didn't get cookies or a parade or something ridiculous, I got what falls under human decency and common fucking sense: a thank you. And for that alone I've told her time and again if she needed me for ANYthing, just ask, I'll do it. Oh look, now wasn't that simple?

Tamrissa, I think it's damned shitty what you said about Cole and Serena. You're having a leaders meeting with me and Cole, talking shit about him on my clan channel where he can't see, and you turn right around not moments later and talk shit about Serena on the osay channel where she can't see. Not only is that rude, it's entirely unprofessional. You can have your opinion and talk your smack but do not do it in front of players. IMMs are supposed to set an example, not resort to those sorts of petty actions. Let's not mention the fact that I turned all those Kindred documents in to you over two months ago - I've not had even ONE returned to me so that I could move on with business. Nice.

Smith, why don't you hand over the code to the people I know are begging for it? You don't care about DoN, Jean told me she had to keep you from shutting it down, so why are you hanging on? Why not let us save it? And shit, why not be decent and do it for us if you won't let it go? Updating the mud would have kept players returning and brought in countless new ones. Hit up Achaea or Aardwolf sometime. See how those places are. I can actually type "sit chair" and put my cyber ass IN a chair when I'm in a room. Imagine that. Oh and that whole lack of rent. I pay rent in real life, why the bloody hell do I want to worry about that in a game? Every single mud out there is rent free. Yes, it is, go check. When Bl and I were going to leave DoN many years ago I went to 40 muds in the span of a month and ALL of them were rent free. All. DoN is horribly imba, has a low level cap, has ancient code, and has rent. You're doomed if you don't update the thing. Then again I said this years ago but why listen to me, I don't have an IMM tag like your wife.

Jean, now you're seeing all that shit you assumed about me before. NOW I'm pissed off. NOW I don't like you. So now you're going to hear me speak my mind. It was really fucking nice of you to completely cockblock me from being an IMM. I would have run world event RP, done side story lines, acted as an ST, put up quests, done building, my god I would have done SO MUCH for that place if you'd let me. But no. Stormy is supposedly in charge and you tell her she can't IMM me when you admit you don't even play anymore, all because of shit you think you know about me. Let's not actually talk to the player in question and find out if our assumptions are true, that would make sense and, buh?!? we can't have that! Then you finally do talk to me and after a couple of hours of enlightening you to shit you would have known if you paid two seconds of attention, you say you will "allow" Stormy to IMM me. Allow? Excuse me, I thought she was in charge now? I guess not. How nice that she was just shoved into a figurehead position. That's insulting to her and her ability as an IMM.

Stormy, Strife, Puppy, Zelabith, Epona, Ayla - I have no issues with any of you. I'm only naming wizlist IMMs, any other IMMs on my friends list I didn't put because you're not there anymore. Anyhow, you six people have had no hope of making things right for a long time now, but you sure as fuck tried and that's all anyone can ask of you. Just get the hell out and find a place that will actually work with you to improve things. Stormy and Strife, the two who I know RP, find a place that will appreciate your talent and intelligence. DoN isn't it. As Tyler told me, that place doesn't deserve my creativity, and it doesn't deserve yours either.

We're done. Tevatio, Beledar, Gaelia, Nomasis, Darkbishop, Serena, Callia, Ramere, Corrin, Jaxine, Cathan, Jacean, and Avarice were all deleted in the span of the three days following that Tuesday. Molly is in checkin and may delete soon. That's 14 characters across 7 players, and that's not the end of it. I know a few more who are leaving as well. The entire Kindred has left. You have one clan now. One. With no opposition and almost no one to RP with anymore. You should have turned it over long ago. Now even if you did, it's too late. Too many people have left and it's pretty much beyond repair anyhow. DoN is nothing but an outdated hack-n-slash snore fest now, and it's entirely because of two people. And what's sad is, at least one of them doesn't care.

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firstashore
Sep. 10th, 2008 04:50 pm (UTC)
Looooool!

That's the Theresa I remember. :)

And the DoN I remember, for that matter. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

DoN changed my life though. Irreversibly. Hell, it got me started on LJ where I've met girlfriends, some of my best friends, and my brother Kris. And Kris through your LJ, no less. ;) I can't even imagine what my life would have been like without it. Completely different, that's for sure.

But the point is, while DoN changed my life, it wasn't my life. When it was time to let it go, I did. But the changes it made will influence me for the rest of my life, and for that I am grateful to everybody, from Malice to Smith and even Callisto, whoever the fuck that actually WAS. :P

So yeah. I know how you feel. And I only ever had one character I really played for the entire five years I was there, so I was super attached to him. But don't live in the past, look to the future. All the people you met along the way, who you want to keep in touch with, well, they are all here.

With one exception, of course, but we'll see her again in a different world. :)
raivyn
Sep. 10th, 2008 07:19 pm (UTC)
Right. See you get it. So many friends I've made from DoN. It's weird to think about the "what if" scenarios. What if I had never met this person or that person, I would have never done this or that or moved here or there or what have you. Just crazy how one little game can change the course of your life.

To be honest a part of my love for DoN died when Karen did. It was just weird being there without her, and it never got un-weird. Now that I've left, when I think about the place she's the thing that comes to the forefront of my mind. But I reckon if I'd done the wrong thing she would have bolted me by this point, because I bet she really can now ;) Hehe.

Oh yeah, speaking of Callisto. What the hell! Did anyone ever find out of that was really a chick or not? Because I swear it was a guy. I heard so many stories about her/his life and there were supposedly pictures but no one ever had any to show anyone else. Last I heard she was Asian, living in Hawaii, and was a model of moderate fame and so had to have bodyguards follow her. lol.

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belovednewo
Sep. 10th, 2008 07:13 pm (UTC)
Thank you for this post. Thank you SO MUCH. I love you, Rai. <3

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raivyn
Sep. 10th, 2008 07:22 pm (UTC)
You're most welcome, my dear. Your icon makes me happy :D
thebadpaladin
Sep. 10th, 2008 10:57 pm (UTC)
"That's the Theresa I remember. :)

And the DoN I remember, for that matter. The more things change, the more they stay the same."

This.

Anyway, kudos for moving on :) I barely remember DoN though it was certainly very formative for me too. I definitely remember WoW and the drama of leaving it and its social life though. People wouldnt understand the powerful/conflicted emotions unless they've fallen under the spell of these addictions :)

Thanks for the shout out too...hmm actually, I was expecting more....maybe a poem about my character or something....yeah, you fail.



:P
raivyn
Sep. 10th, 2008 11:08 pm (UTC)
You know what? You'll get your parade when I get the praise I'm due for leaving DoN. *I* expected more of YOU, ya know. You should be REALLY proud of me for leaving after all the years you've tried to talk me into it. And I get a wee little 5 word sentence? Oy.

Cunt.

;)

Haha *hugs*
tempestuous
Sep. 11th, 2008 12:41 am (UTC)
Aww, Rai! I'd send you some sympathy flowers if I knew your address... how it does suck to delete a major character like that. I know just what you mean about the getting up and walking around bit. :)

And wow, what a big topic to even comment on... I wouldn't even know where to begin. That game always was 100% based on the quality/dedication of people playing - so as we lost more and more of the good ones I drifted more and more away.

With the disappearance of the wars/skirmishes - hell, the disappearance of any interchange that required a bit of wit and creativity as opposed to playing everything out according to rule A, rule B, etc - DoN lost its sense of realism and spontaneity to me. Therefore it lost its appeal.

The old years were great, and I know a lot of us grew up together in a large way through playing together. For that I'll always feel a special bond with so many of you.

Man, do I sound like a total dork or what? I'm just glad that all of us have other means of keeping in touch. That's the important part when it's all said and done. :)

And that's all I'm gonna say about that. :-P Hehe.

PS - Callisto totally sent me that pic! I wish I still had it! I remember it was a side profile of her sitting and hugging her knees to her chest - with not a single shred of clothing on. I was never sure if he/she thought I was a lesbian or a guy pretending to be a girl. I -was- sure there was no way that pic was for real though! LOL.
cr1ms0njyhad
Sep. 11th, 2008 07:54 pm (UTC)
*sings* I don't wanna grow up.. I'm a toys r us kid.

Seriously though.. Ya, DoN took up a looong period of my life. Even at the age of 30 I still have memories of the place.
raivyn
Sep. 11th, 2008 07:55 pm (UTC)
Nah, you're not dorky. Makes total sense :) You were the FIRST person to help me. Daniel and I were in the chess board and you were tanning stuff for us. And I remember I was like "zomg symmetry!!!" (which I'm still a stickler about) so you had to keep tanning like items for my wrists, neck, etc. LOL. You were so patient :) I think you got us to 21 and said we were on our own, so when it was time to hit the high guilds we were like "O_O oh shit, what do we do without Epona?!?!1" Haha. Good times.

Oh man you had the pic! AAHHH! That's like a relic at this point, the answer to some deep, dark mystery. LOL. Someone somewhere has to have it. Ah well. I'm sure it wasn't real either. Whoever that was, s/he was eeevvvil. Loved her one minute, wanted to choke her with a USB cable the next. Yet another person who made shit "interesting." :)
cr1ms0njyhad
Sep. 11th, 2008 04:32 am (UTC)
Surprised it took you guys this long to bail out, to be honest. "Back in the day" was a LOT more fun. Even including the fact that sensi nuked Drizzt and Arkanin (jeff's char) when we formed Elven Mafia and were taking hit contracts on players... ahh dual mage/ranger assassins.. so much fun. But he nuked our chars.. for a valid reason.. So we re-rolled and kept playing.. but probably a year after Smith came into power stuff starting going downhill. I started having less and less fun. Other than you, jeremy, stormy, Zelabith and a few others, I really didn't get to have much RP fun, or fun in general. So I started logging in less and less, then the graphical MMOs starting making their debuts and were alot more interactive that MUDs.. With the lack of fun in DoN I tried a few out, and eventually one day I logged into WoW and Smith had purged all character who were checked in for a long term. (long being like 30 days). So losing my char AGAIN (Ryu this time /cry) finally killed the game completely for me.
raivyn
Sep. 11th, 2008 07:59 pm (UTC)
Yeah, the MMO craze didn't help things either. In order to keep a mud populated these days, it needs to be modern code with as much interaction as possible short of making it a graphical-MMO itself. Did you try to get Ryu restored?
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mollyserrai
Sep. 11th, 2008 05:16 am (UTC)
Molly's due to be deleted, I just want to be absolutely sure the name of Molly will be unusable while that mud still sits there and dies off completely. So in other words, I'm looking for Stormy. :)
raivyn
Sep. 11th, 2008 08:01 pm (UTC)
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Stormy must have done it. I emailed her a few days ago. Did you email her? Try that if you haven't :)
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hjerne
Sep. 11th, 2008 06:04 am (UTC)
I can tell you exactly what Karen did.
She started snickering at your drama here just like she did about all the drama in the past. It's a game, no more important in anybodies life than a game of monopoly. You don't stress out for days when somebody manages to build a hotel on Boardwalk. Why? Because it's a freaking game! She and I both understood that completely and could never comprehend why the rest of you would get so up in arms about little things going on in game.

The rp was fun, but it was just a game. RP is just improv acting for people who don't do it irl. Should Daniel Radcliffe hate Ralph Fiennes? Should he plot revenge on him and beg producers to ban him from future movies because he did such terrible things to other actors?

Karen pretty much hated the entire time she was leader of the Kindred (just like I hated leading the goody two shoes as Tahir) because everybody took it so seriously. Not promoted? Time to throw a tantrum. Told in rp not to associate with alignments diametrically opposed to your own? Throw a tantrum and quit the clan. Too many people were just plain pathetic in how they made their entire lives seem to revolve around a simple game. (note: the pathetic comment is mine. Karen never actually said pathetic. I'm just obnoxious that way.)

Karen cared about the people on the other side of the keyboard. Not the characters. Not the game. And she sure as hell didn't give a shit what happened to her characters or clans in the game. Not that she didn't try to keep things going but only in the same way you keep playing poker after getting a few losing hands. Winning, losing, it's all part of the game. It's what makes a game a challenge.

Remember the fun time when the Solarians raided the Kin hall and Zamphir (shifted as the innkeeper) not only shooed all your defending Xorns et al out of existence but also cleaned up everything that fell to the floor, including corpses, dust, and everything in those? Kyara lost loads of gold, All her magical items including the restrung ones, even including Onigami's sword that was given to her when he left. And her and I were laughing our asses off because it was fun the way that our innkeeper tactic caught the Kin totally off guard. Did you have fun when that happened? Hell no, you bitched horribly about it. It was almost as bad as when Rach threw a hissy fit because people at Black Magik's wedding activated their defensive spells and powers.

So it's about time you gave up on DoN. Seriously. Any time somebody makes a simple game into something so important in their life they should run from it as fast as they possibly can.

I'll admit, there was one time and only one time I got pissed off at the game. It was after I created the Ezra clanhall. I built the whole thing top to bottom with the exception of the store and it's items, the receptionists description, and a single room. Traci added those. And the reason I got pissed over it was because on the Ezra clan site she took credit for building the whole zone. And she didn't even get the doors right for the one room she created. Yeah, that part is a touchy point still. I don't like others taking credit for my work. But no in game happenings even did so much as ruffle my feathers.
raivyn
Sep. 11th, 2008 08:21 pm (UTC)
Re: I can tell you exactly what Karen did.
No doubt she's finding this some level of amusing. But I know she understands as well, at least the frustration side of it if nothing else. Her and I had many bitch sessions together about various people/situations when we were in Kindred.

I don't remember the Zamphir situation but I'm certain I complained. I complained about EVERYthing back then :P Gloval, Cypher, scrapping, the cityguards looking at me wrong, you name it. But I haven't cared for some time now, and by that I mean years. DoN hasn't been a game to me for a long time because there's nothing left to "play" as it were. Can't gain levels, can't obtain any items because I have them all, so if I wasn't RPing I was getting gold. I can RP anywhere, but I wasn't about to ask the 20 or so people I give a shit about to move somewhere else just because I was tired of DoN. So it became nothing but a social mud, and at that point I started cycling out my rent items because I didn't want to bother with it. I wanted to get on, chat and/or RP, and leave.

The overall issue in this whole post is the place COULD have been kept fun and exciting and enjoyable for everyone, but it wasn't. And that comes down to one (or two) people who didn't care that we, the players, are also people and liked hanging out there and having fun together. But oh well. We're having fun in other places now, and like Eppie said we've got ways of keeping in touch.

That's VERY interesting about the Ezra hall. I had no idea you wrote any of it at all. I was under the impression it was 100% Tracie. Well for what it's worth now, it was a very nice place :)
blkrose2004
Sep. 11th, 2008 08:11 am (UTC)
Congrats on your courage to leave!!!!!!

(just one question.. wtf is DoN???!!!???!!! ;) hehe)
raivyn
Sep. 11th, 2008 08:26 pm (UTC)
http://www.deadofnight.org/

It's a mud. Multi-user Dungeon (or Domain, I've heard it both ways.) Think WoW with no pictures, basically. They're fun, moreso if you find one you can RP on, but that's my personal opinion. Anyhow, thank you kindly :) *Hugs*
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iolani
Sep. 18th, 2008 08:49 pm (UTC)
Le sigh. I know. The lack of people and changes in rules are what stopped me from coming around for so long. I blamed it on not having internet, or time, or any other number of excuses, but when it came down to it, I lost interest because it isn't what it used to be, and I just don't have as much fun as I used to have.

I could go on and on about the good times (sometimes I do, and people look at me funny >.>): Chicken Hunting with Boom, throwing licked torches, goddess contests, werewolf hunts, weddings, strip shows, beating Strange at his own game, stealing gold from Princess Dara (again, and again, and again, and again....KILL THE PRINCESS!!!), apprenticing to Nightshade (which that name TOTALLY should not have been put in use again), hunting thief-style with Snowlock, questing, all the LCN roleplay we used to have, Mtenda pounding a sheep, Borkn falling off her horse, scouting, exploring, looting, pillaging, fencing, the #1 spot on the queero list (for how many years after I stopped playing?! what now, bitches!), treasure hunting, stealing, spying, infiltrating, clan wars...

But - I did meet some fucking TERRIFIC friends. I still see Spry on a semi-regular basis, and SpooN at least once a year. Borkn - never thought I'd meet the other half of my twisted self on a text-based role playing game! I've met a dozen or more people from this game irl, and talked to even more for hours on the phone. What started as a common interest grew into real friendship in most cases, and that is just about the coolest thing in the world to me.

So... you playin' on another mud during the day at all? If so, I'll stop by to say hi :) Writing about all of this kinda makes me miss the thief in me too!
raivyn
Sep. 19th, 2008 01:30 am (UTC)
Oh god the memories. LOL. *Licks a torch and throws it at you* ;) I should make a DoN post of all the funny logs I've kept over the years. It would be hella long but for those who know about DoN, it would be a laugh and a half. Thank GOD you got IMM'd! I finally got top spot on qhero! LOL queero! I held it forever too, still had it when I deleted. I think Schyso has it now.

"What started as a common interest grew into real friendship in most cases, and that is just about the coolest thing in the world to me."

Well said. That's why it was so upsetting to leave and especially considering the why behind it all. But whatever, I've made some amazing friends, many of which have changed my life forever, moved me to other states, brought about some wonderful relationships... I still love DoN, ancient and out-of-date as she is, I just dislike her caretakers. :\

I'm on Achaea off and on. www.achaea.com. They have a class called Serpent, which isn't very thief like (as in you can't steal, because stealing is already a mud-wide ability >)) but they're wicked with the sneaky ninja and assassin type stuff. I'm not on regularly though. I'm probably not going to start being regular until I move and settle down with the new place, since I'd like to properly invest time in the mud and all.
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(Anonymous)
Sep. 19th, 2008 12:09 am (UTC)
Apparently years of tongue in cheek verbal abuse and deleting/undeleting have me on your friends list but NOT able to comment :p

DoN influenced the lives of most of the people who played for any length of time. A lot of us ended up making friends we eventually met up with later on. Some of us found significant others. Some of us got drunk and convinced people to get naked on cam.

That sort of thing.

The problem was always when the line between what matters and what doesn't became blurred in the mind of some players. It was always a game. As a means to kill time/babble it was awesome. But not as a way to avoid reality. Get jobs, develop social skills, grow up! That's my motto.

As mean as I had/have the potential to be AND being an epic windup artist.....some people have mattered to me over the years. I was almost always joking, and sensitive people tend to take everything personally anyway.

Anyway! Mad ghetto luv, I still idle on DoN from my cellphone.

Richard/Spry/Bunny/Manic/Jenny (the original)/Moonspell/Johann/Bebop/Draught/Guinness/Seagram/about 40 others.
raivyn
Sep. 19th, 2008 01:33 am (UTC)
I didn't expect this sort of reply from you. Awesome :) Yeah so basically I agree with it all. I took shit way too seriously on that place for a loooong time, and looking back it was wholly unnecessary and amusing. The shitty thing is once I stopped taking it seriously, the lack of fun/conflict/whatever made me not enjoy the place.

"Some of us got drunk and convinced people to get naked on cam."

That made me rofl so hard. XD
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iolani
Sep. 19th, 2008 05:23 pm (UTC)
You have to remember, dear, that you do come off kind of assholish. ;) It took me quite awhile to get used to it, and to start telling when you're joking and being serious.

Might come visit in a few weeks, if you're available. I'm already feeling the need to get the fuck out of this town again.
zoeyelizabeth
Nov. 29th, 2008 07:55 pm (UTC)
I know this is a few months late but...
I was busy when you posted this, my mom was in ICU. Firstly, *hugs* secondly,

Stormy, Strife, Puppy, Zelabith, Epona, Ayla - I have no issues with any of you. I'm only naming wizlist IMMs, any other IMMs on my friends list I didn't put because you're not there anymore. Anyhow, you six people have had no hope of making things right for a long time now, but you sure as fuck tried and that's all anyone can ask of you. Just get the hell out and find a place that will actually work with you to improve things. Stormy and Strife, the two who I know RP, find a place that will appreciate your talent and intelligence. DoN isn't it. As Tyler told me, that place doesn't deserve my creativity, and it doesn't deserve yours either.


Regarding that paragraph, yes I tried - and I got shut down, I got told I was 'ruining' the value of quests by running them everyday. I got told not do that anymore... I was like wtf? The quests are the only damn thing keeping anyone here, IMM interaction with the players is the only damn thing keeping anyone here! I felt SO discouraged. Then the next time I got up enough 'hope' to log as an IMM I got blasted by another staff member for simply expressing an opinion on an ancient piece of code that I thought could possibly be updated to even sort of kinda resemble more modern muds being played out there (it had to do with mob repops) omfg you would think I had asked them to give a million bucks or something... once I sat there and took that rant/bitch session at me - I just thought ya know... I don't need this shit, until I can talk to Stormy I'm not really concerned if I log in anymore or not. And, that was that.
serena_starbane
Dec. 5th, 2008 03:27 am (UTC)
Re: I know this is a few months late but...
We know how you feel hun. That's kina how we all felt if ya want to know the truth. I won't repeat what we talked about today on msn seeing as rai already knows most of it. But, that being said...there are a lot of us who put in a lot of hours, weeks, months, years into that place and making better (or trying) and none of us got any form of thanks from smith or tam. Stormy..thank you so much for the pat on the back you gave us when we did something, you too zoe, strife, puppy, eppie, ayla..but when we do something and then it gets laughed at by the person who is running the damn thing, we think "Why the hell do we even try?" To make matters worse, our names never got black listed to my knowledge because stormy wasn't able to do it. Makes me wonder if some smuck is on there with one of our names making us look bad to people who didn't know us but have heard of us. Meh...nough said.
Re: I know this is a few months late but... - raivyn - Dec. 5th, 2008 08:28 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: I know this is a few months late but... - iolani - Dec. 9th, 2008 09:44 pm (UTC) - Expand
(Anonymous)
Mar. 2nd, 2010 08:06 am (UTC)
Despite all the trouble I caused
Those of you who know who I am, I post this for you. Despite all the trouble I caused on the mud, I enjoyed every second of my time there. I absolutely hate hunting, but eh, the price I pay for RP. I'm made friends, enemies, enemies of friends, and now visa versa but you're all absolutely correct. When Smith initially got started, he was doing well, getting things done, and then nothing... I understand other things take precedent but here's the thing, if you don't have time to do something. LET SOMEONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO. Just give up the code to someone who WANTS TO FIX THE MUD. AND STOP MAKING IT WORSE.

And no, RP shouldn't be punished if someone wants to be a dick. BUT IF DANIEL RADCLIFFE WAS TACKLED BY A PRODUCER EVERY TIME HE WENT TO READ A LINE YOU CAN BET THAT PRODUCER WOULD BE GONE. Don't use metaphors that don't make sense. We're adults, we know the difference in RP and generally being a dick. And a lot of people who were generally being dicks to people should be gone. Anyone who's sole purpose for being their is the ruination of someone else's enjoyment should not be allowed to continue.

Let people who want to be active, be active. Stop restricting the immortals who want to help out or contribute, like Stormy and others. Let her do what she thinks she can to get results. Clearly whatever is being done now isn't working, so... hmmm... something new perhaps? Like walking away and giving up the mud like a large group of people tried. They don't have access to the shell so their protest didn't work. I however APPLAUD THEIR EFFORTS AND HAD I BEEN THERE WOULD HAVE CREATED AND DELETED CHARACTERS UNTIL I RAN OUT OF NAMES I COULD THINK OF.

All the in-fighting between immortals is stupid, you ALL used to be just regular players like us. Now you're and IMM and suddenly you're special!?! wooo, I was an IMM on another mud for years and we never had any of the problems that DON has. WANNA KNOW WHY?!? WE LISTENED TO THE PLAYERS, WHEN ENOUGH OF THEM MADE A SUGGESTION WE DID IT. KNOW WHERE THAT MUD IS NOW? SITTING PRETTY ON THE TOP 20 LIST. I'm not going to say what mud, because that'll take away from DoN. Point is, people play a game they like, and if people are complaining, something is wrong. No you can't make everyone happy, but if the people who play all the time come to you and say, we think this would help the game. Don't dismiss it, listen, you're not perfect either and other people get good ideas too. No don't impliment every little change that crops up on the ideas board, but the ones with 2345892 strings replying or people agreeing are clearly a hot idea. Stop doing nothing. If you don't have time, I get that, I didn't have time for the mud for a while, I had RL stuff to do. But there ARE people who have time and WANT to take care of it.

And here's a suggestion, log on once in a while. If you're never here, no one can talk to you, and if no one can talk to you, we think you're ignoring us and being ignore pisses people off. So again, either completely ignore us or let someone else take over.
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